Author Topic: 2016 Forester XT vs 2004 Forester XT  (Read 802 times)

August 17, 2016, 12:40:33 AM
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Stev0

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August 17, 2016, 07:14:14 AM
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Garrsie

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Very interesting! I'd still go for the 2004  :)

Summary:
12 years of development has netted for the 2016 xt;
1. slower
2. better handling
3. a bit more capable in extreme offroad (for me anyway)
4. a more rigid chassis
The similar stopping distances really impressed me.

What does that mean? Either Subaru is a bit lacking in the development department or the 2004 was so good that they struggled to get significant improvements?
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August 17, 2016, 07:32:04 AM
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What does that mean? Either Subaru is a bit lacking in the development department or the 2004 was so good that they struggled to get significant improvements?

I think the former (but sure, a bit of the latter too ;D )
Subaru has actually done very little ito real (ie mechanical/technological) development since 2004.  It seems many other brands have now got similar AWD capabilities and Subaru is still lacking in things like interior features/quality vs price - which is why I think people still don't perceive enough brand value to lift sales adequately.

Despite all that and despite some real issues I've had this last year, I love my S-exy young thing.
Current: S-edition 2011 Steel Silver (S-exy young thing) - Forged, Chett tjooned, 76mm s/s wrapped DP, King Springs, 225/60/17 G012s, Sump & AT guards, cheap mud flaps, HID fogs, LED parks.
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August 17, 2016, 08:07:18 AM
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The biggest problem Subaru has in SA is the lack of specification within the model ranges, bar possibly the Forester range. In Aus and US you can buy a 2.0i Impreza base model for the same price as a Corolla. Here you are limited to either a WRX or STi starting off @ R540k. And at that price you are boxing in the luxury sedan segment.


August 17, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
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How do they even survive? They've got about 10 dealerships in SA and here are the sales figures for July 2016:

SUBARU Forester 63
SUBARU Outback 12
SUBARU WRX 2
SUBARU XV 13

TOTAL:90

Not competitors but to put it into perspective, 99 Porsches were sold the same period.
Subaru is just a small step above Fiat/Alfa in terms of sales.
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May the Forester be with you...

August 17, 2016, 08:39:42 AM
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And who wants to drive a alfa!?! ::)
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August 17, 2016, 08:51:50 AM
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And who wants to drive a alfa!?! ::)
Almost as many people as those who wants to drive Subarus. ;D
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August 17, 2016, 09:09:16 AM
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And who wants to drive a alfa!?! ::)
Almost as many people as those who wants to drive Subarus. ;D

And Alfa fans are very much like Subaru fans, very passionate about their brand!


August 17, 2016, 09:18:44 AM
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With the exception of Ford, every other non-luxury South African car brand has a retarded "market strategy". Ford is the only one that actually listens to the consumer when deciding which models to bring in. I mean, do you think GM would ever import the Chevy Camaro? Nope. But Ford brought in the Mustang. Want an affordable 4x4 bakkie? Can't have a Toyota, but you can have a Ford 2.2 liter with 4x4.

It's as if no one is even trying to compete for sales. On the one hand it means Subarus will be cheap secondhand in a few years, but on the other it means it will be a ballache trying to source a part from a scrapyard.

As to the topic, the 2004 XT was basically just a lifted WRX with even more aggressive gearing. The SG9+ variants moved more into the Crossover and then SUV spaces.
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August 17, 2016, 09:31:11 AM
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I'm definitely buying a Ford somewhere in the future. All the Ford I have ever owned gave me trouble free motoring and very good service. I can see a not very used Fusion somewhere in my future.


August 17, 2016, 11:51:08 AM
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And Alfa fans are very much like Subaru fans, very passionate about their brand!

At least with the six-star emblem cars there is a valid reason ;D
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August 17, 2016, 12:43:18 PM
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I'm definitely buying a Ford somewhere in the future. All the Ford I have ever owned gave me trouble free motoring and very good service. I can see a not very used Fusion somewhere in my future.

I had to decide between a Focus ST and the Fozzie. I'm glad I went with the XT in the end, but I was so pissed off with GM refusing to let me test drive the new Astra OPC that I swore I'd never give them another cent. Imagine a dealer telling you they need an offer to purchase BEFORE test driving a vehicle. Yeah no.

August 17, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
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As to the topic, the 2004 XT was basically just a lifted WRX with even more aggressive gearing. The SG9+ variants moved more into the Crossover and then SUV spaces.
Not sure I understand the logic here. SG9 is a face-lifted SG5, same thing other than drive by wire throttle and different final drive ratio. SG & SF are both very much crossovers I reckon.
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August 17, 2016, 01:50:47 PM
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I had to decide between a Focus ST and the Fozzie. I'm glad I went with the XT in the end, but I was so pissed off with GM refusing to let me test drive the new Astra OPC that I swore I'd never give them another cent. Imagine a dealer telling you they need an offer to purchase BEFORE test driving a vehicle. Yeah no.

Ja, that's stupid - they can keep their Astra. Have owned Focus' (no ST), Fiesta's, Escort, Icon and Courier bakkie. Loved them all. Went to sit in a Fusion some weeks back and man is that a well made car. Feels like a Jaguar at half the price.


August 24, 2016, 01:16:24 PM
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