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Title: New articles
Post by: Subaru Southern Africa on August 20, 2012, 09:31:37 AM
Nice article on the XV in CT. Epic photos too

http://rockingcars.co.za/blog/2012/08/19/subaru-xv/ (http://rockingcars.co.za/blog/2012/08/19/subaru-xv/)
Title: New articles
Post by: PaulC on August 20, 2012, 09:43:33 AM
Quote from: Subaru Southern Africa;6188
Nice article on the XV in CT. Epic photos too

http://rockingcars.co.za/blog/2012/08/19/subaru-xv/ (http://rockingcars.co.za/blog/2012/08/19/subaru-xv/)



I should send it to CAR!! :p

I left a comment about the GPS speed reading being different - I thought that everyone knew that a GPS will give you an accurate reading, whilst a car's speedo will always be slightly out.
Title: New articles
Post by: F on August 20, 2012, 09:48:54 AM
Had an article in the Rapport yesterday as well- they liked it, said it was a close call between the VX and the GTi
Title: New articles
Post by: Subaru Southern Africa on August 20, 2012, 09:52:37 AM
Quote from: PaulC;6191
I should send it to CAR!! :p

I left a comment about the GPS speed reading being different - I thought that everyone knew that a GPS will give you an accurate reading, whilst a car's speedo will always be slightly out.


Thanks Paul

Our car are off by about 4km-8km, depending on speed. This is still closer that a lot of cars.

Most of the guys who tested the same car (CVT XV in CT) as car have given pretty good comment, iAfrica, Rocking cars and David Taylor on the Carmag blog have all given us good feedback on the car. They see what the car is and what it's purpose is. David even got the car down to 7.4 l/100km.
Title: New articles
Post by: Subaru Southern Africa on August 20, 2012, 09:54:26 AM
Quote from: F;6193
Had an article in the Rapport yesterday as well- they liked it, said it was a close call between the VX and the GTi


Missed that one??
Could you be so kind as to send us a scanned copy?
If you can please send it to didierm@subaru.co.za.

Thanks
Title: New articles
Post by: F on August 20, 2012, 10:03:31 AM
Sorry, don't have it: read it at my parents in law. Maybe someone in the forum bought the Rapport yesterday?
Title: New articles
Post by: Subaru Southern Africa on August 20, 2012, 10:06:24 AM
Quote from: F;6198
Sorry, don't have it: read it at my parents in law. Maybe someone in the forum bought the Rapport yesterday?


Not a problem, my Centurion dealer normally gets them, I will ask him.
Thanks for letting me know though.
Title: New articles
Post by: PaulC on August 24, 2012, 08:58:57 AM
http://www.surf4cars.co.za/news/article/92/Crossing_over_in_Subaru's_new_XV

Nice one here!

CAR needs to read this one as well...
Title: New articles
Post by: kaspaas on September 05, 2012, 07:42:44 AM
I am glad all of you are so enthusiastic about the XV, but honestly I wont be able to live with such a slooooooooowwwwwwww car. Zero to hundred in more than 13 seconds?? Seriously, my Citroen C1 1.0 will give this thing a serious run for its money in a straight line. There is also no point in the XV being 4wd, there is not enough power to cause any wheelspin. At least it looks nice. And then the price...even if you dont look at all the competitor vehicles, even the inhouse Forester seeems like a bargain compared to the XV. You can get a Forester X auto for R1000 less than the CVT XV. Really, you guys are a hardcore bunch of Subaru fans to defend this thing!!
Title: New articles
Post by: JPC on September 05, 2012, 08:59:55 AM
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I am glad all of you are so enthusiastic about the XV, but honestly I wont be able to live with such a slooooooooowwwwwwww car. Zero to hundred in more than 13 seconds?? Seriously, my Citroen C1 1.0 will give this thing a serious run for its money in a straight line. There is also no point in the XV being 4wd, there is not enough power to cause any wheelspin. At least it looks nice. And then the price...even if you dont look at all the competitor vehicles, even the inhouse Forester seeems like a bargain compared to the XV. You can get a Forester X auto for R1000 less than the CVT XV. Really, you guys are a hardcore bunch of Subaru fans to defend this thing!!

 
kaspaas, one question - have you ever driven the XV?
Title: New articles
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 05, 2012, 09:11:17 AM
Quote from: JPC;6583
kaspaas, one question - have you ever driven the XV?


I'm inclined to think that the performance stats does not really motivate him to do so. Me neither unfortunately.

I like the XV package, but it really needs at least 9,10 second drivetrain to do it justice.
Title: New articles
Post by: kaspaas on September 05, 2012, 09:22:06 AM
I am sure it drives nicely, but I am not really into slow cars, especially at this price level. I put my money where my mouth is and bought a Nissan Juke 1.6 Turbo. You are welcome to bring you XV for a performance comparison...
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Post by: Dash on September 05, 2012, 09:28:50 AM
Quote from: kaspaas;6582
I am glad all of you are so enthusiastic about the XV, but honestly I wont be able to live with such a slooooooooowwwwwwww car. Zero to hundred in more than 13 seconds?? Seriously, my Citroen C1 1.0 will give this thing a serious run for its money in a straight line. There is also no point in the XV being 4wd, there is not enough power to cause any wheelspin. At least it looks nice. And then the price...even if you dont look at all the competitor vehicles, even the inhouse Forester seeems like a bargain compared to the XV. You can get a Forester X auto for R1000 less than the CVT XV. Really, you guys are a hardcore bunch of Subaru fans to defend this thing!!


Kaspaas, the XV actually feels quite lively once run in and should do 0-100 in 10.7s according to other tests but CAR were given a very tight example which has distorted their performance figures.

How the biggest motoring publication in SA with the most rigourous and trusted testing procedures get given a less than ideal example of a vehicle is beyond me. Drive the thing for 2 days solid if you have to before handing it to them, especially if you know your product is on the back foot in the pricing and space stakes.

Anyway, I think we've exhausted this topic now. I do hope SSA take a lesson out of this saga rather than easily shrugging it off as another example of victimisation. We all want to see the  Subaru brand grow.
Title: New articles
Post by: Dash on September 05, 2012, 09:34:21 AM
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop;6584
I'm inclined to think that the performance stats does not really motivate him to do so. Me neither unfortunately.

I like the XV package, but it really needs at least 9,10 second drivetrain to do it justice.


Well the diesel version does that, 9.3s to be exact.

Come on SSA, bring the 2.0D chop chop, run it in, and give it to the publications so they can eat some of their words. The price will need some serious attention.
Title: New articles
Post by: JPC on September 05, 2012, 09:42:26 AM
Quote from: kaspaas;6586
I am sure it drives nicely, but I am not really into slow cars, especially at this price level. I put my money where my mouth is and bought a Nissan Juke 1.6 Turbo. You are welcome to bring you XV for a performance comparison...

never said it is a performance car nor would i even classify it as a performance car - all i asked was whether you have driven it. car's write up on the XV is far from the truth as it has been proven well by PaulC on the forum.
 
personally the XV is to small for me hence i drive Outback diesel.:rolleyes:
Title: New articles
Post by: kaspaas on September 05, 2012, 10:52:04 AM
With all due respect, I believe that Car’s road test figures are much more trustworthy than any other person’s drive-impressions on some internet site. And I am not the biggest fan of Hannes Oosthuizen. There is a huge difference in taking a loan vehicle for a few days and writing an impression – completely subjective in my opinion. Car does proper road tests with expensive equipment. Sure there is a subjective part to their roadtest, but the test figures tell the true story. Also remember they test with a full tank of fuel, 2 people and all the test equipment inside the car if you want to compare to overseas figures. I hear you all say they tested a “bad” unit. But that means that there is a chance that I can go out and also buy a “bad” unit. And in any case, I am not convinced that the difference between a “good” and “bad” XV will ever be more than 10% - that is still a lethargic 12+ s 0-100 time. Just flip through the back of Car mag and see how overpriced the XV is compared to the competition! My Juke is more than R70k less than the XV…
Title: New articles
Post by: JPC on September 05, 2012, 01:29:10 PM
luckily taste differs, imagine everybody driving the same car - life would be boring.
 
i'm not trying to persuade you to buy a XV either, all i asked was if you have taken time to test drive the XV.
 
do yourself the favour, take it for a short drive - i have driven the juke and that did not impress me at all, then again i'm not a nissan fan at all.;)
Title: New articles
Post by: kaspaas on September 05, 2012, 01:31:56 PM
I will go and test drive the XV when I am close to a Subaru dealer again, but my concerns about lethargic performance still stands. What were your impressions regarding the Juke, just curious?
Title: New articles
Post by: JPC on September 05, 2012, 01:45:15 PM
the one i went and tested was red, nice looking red as i have some kind of liking for red cars, the inside plastics was the same color red as outisde, immediately put me off, the car had only done 600km and already there was a massive scratch on the red plastic inside the car.
 
same problem as the XV - too small for me. looks of the juke is also a concern for me. one of those where you either like it or hate it.
Title: New articles
Post by: kaspaas on September 05, 2012, 03:54:24 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/neil-lyndon/9359117/Subarus-XV-is-a-new-low.html
 
 
Oh dear....
Title: New articles
Post by: PaulC on September 05, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
I'm sorry kaasplaas, but if this were a general forum I would actually accuse you of trolling.

Those of us who have driven the XV for more than  a small trip around the block, know damned well that the CAR road test was a load of unrepresentative bollocks.

The fact that you can apparently tell the difference between a car that does 0-100 in 10.3 seconds, and one that does it in 9.5, means that your actual driving experience is limited to reading the stats page on CAR magazine.

Please don't try pulling that stunt if you want any credibility in my eyes.

As has been suggested....DRIVE the car, and if you need convincing, get a loan car for a couple of days and drive it under normal driving conditions. And then pass your judgement.

I cannot stand armchair critics of ANY car, that the "critic" has not driven extensively themselves. If you are prepared to write a car off  on a public forum such as this,  based on a highly negative road test, WITHOUT driving the car yourself, you are simply making a nuisance of yourself, quite frankly, and obviously hoping for some attention.

You have my attention. Now please back off, drive the car over a period and come back with JUSTIFIABLE criticism.

Until then your words are but hollow meaningless drivel.
Title: New articles
Post by: kaspaas on September 06, 2012, 07:53:08 AM
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I'm sorry kaasplaas, but if this were a general forum I would actually accuse you of trolling.
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PaulC, please don’t degenerate this thread into a personal attack – the idea is to discuss the virtues (or lack thereof) of the Subaru XV.
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Those of us who have driven the XV for more than a small trip around the block, know damned well that the CAR road test was a load of unrepresentative bollocks.[/FONT][/COLOR]
The fact that you can apparently tell the difference between a car that does 0-100 in 10.3 seconds, and one that does it in 9.5, means that your actual driving experience is limited to reading the stats page on CAR magazine.
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Paul in all honesty, even if the XV is a lovely drive, it is still overpriced against the competition, slow and small on the inside. You are missing the point. Where does the 10.3 s vs 9.5 s come in? If you are referring to the Juke, Car tested one 0-100 in 8.28 seconds. That difference is definitely noticeable.
Quote from: PaulC;6606
Please don't try pulling that stunt if you want any credibility in my eyes.[/FONT][/COLOR]
As has been suggested....DRIVE the car, and if you need convincing, get a loan car for a couple of days and drive it under normal driving conditions. And then pass your judgement.
I cannot stand armchair critics of ANY car, that the "critic" has not driven extensively themselves. If you are prepared to write a car off on a public forum such as this, based on a highly negative road test, WITHOUT driving the car yourself, you are simply making a nuisance of yourself, quite frankly, and obviously hoping for some attention.
You have my attention. Now please back off, drive the car over a period and come back with JUSTIFIABLE criticism.
Until then your words are but hollow meaningless drivel.
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I will go and drive the XV sometime, but that is not going to change it into a good buy. PaulC, personal attacks are uncalled for. The point I am trying to make is that some people are blindly patriotic about a brand, without critically looking at the individual merits of a model. “In die land van die blindes is die eenoog koning”. A quick flip through the back of any motoring mag will indicate that the XV is not a good buy logically speaking, it is at least R50k-R70k overpriced imho. If the XV is your personal preference, by all means go out and buy one. Just don’t tout it as a good buy, logically speaking, on a public forum.  I love Alfa Romeos, but I won’t really suggest that someone goes out and buy one because it is a good package…
Title: New articles
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 06, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
This thread is turning into "days of our lives" stuff.
Title: New articles
Post by: Stev0 on September 06, 2012, 10:18:13 AM
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This thread is turning into "days of our lives" stuff.

hahah :)
Title: New articles
Post by: kaspaas on September 06, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: LoopSoosStroop;6613
This thread is turning into "days of our lives" stuff.


Lss, you keen to come and testdrive a xv with me maybe on Sat? Anyone knows which dealer has a xv demo?
Title: New articles
Post by: stofstreep on September 06, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
I'm not trying to be funny, but I literally get the automatic gag reflex when I see a Juke.

Every time!!
Driving a Subaru is all about passion. If you want logic buy a toyota.
Title: New articles
Post by: kaspaas on September 06, 2012, 11:04:37 AM
Quote from: stofstreep;6617
I'm not trying to be funny, but I literally get the automatic gag reflex when I see a Juke.

Every time!!
Driving a Subaru is all about passion. If you want logic buy a toyota.


Hahahahaaa! Yes the Juke has controversial styling but I love mine! At least you won't need to look at it for very long, they tend to pass the new generation Subarus rather quickly...
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Post by: LoopSoosStroop on September 06, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: kaspaas;6616
Lss, you keen to come and testdrive a xv with me maybe on Sat? Anyone knows which dealer has a xv demo?


Sat oggend moet ek bietjie probeer vorder met my paving.
Title: New articles
Post by: stofstreep on September 06, 2012, 12:02:43 PM
Quote from: kaspaas;6618
Hahahahaaa! Yes the Juke has controversial styling but I love mine! At least you won't need to look at it for very long, they tend to pass the new generation Subarus rather quickly...

Hehe! its true!
I do look in the rear-view mirror that often! :p
Title: New articles
Post by: Bravofox on September 06, 2012, 05:19:27 PM
In my opinion the Juke is also "ugly", but I love it!
I test drove the 1.6 Turbo and  really liked it.
Test drove the XV and did not like it powerwise. Mind you, a 2.5X/XS also frustrates the crap out of me.
If Subaru put the FA20 engine (same as BRZ) in the XV, that will be really something else to drive. I love the idea of the 147kw N/A 2 litre!
Title: New articles
Post by: kaspaas on September 06, 2012, 05:33:29 PM
Quote from: Bravofox;6626
In my opinion the Juke is also "ugly", but I love it!
I test drove the 1.6 Turbo and  really liked it.
Test drove the XV and did not like it powerwise. Mind you, a 2.5X/XS also frustrates the crap out of me.
If Subaru put the FA20 engine (same as BRZ) in the XV, that will be really something else to drive. I love the idea of the 147kw N/A 2 litre!


That's the thing with a fast car like your XT, you will never really be happy with something slow afterwards! X/XS not too bad, faster than the Nissan Xtrail I had but with less low down torque. My Juke seems faster than claimed, almost golf 5/6 gti fast when I had a few dices... That fa20 engine in the xv could work, maybe with a remap for more low down torque for this application.
Title: New articles
Post by: F on September 19, 2012, 05:43:28 PM
FYI the latest car mag has a small erratum on the vx test they had done. See page 117.   they only mention the headlight washers and the service plan, nothing else.
Title: New articles
Post by: PaulC on September 19, 2012, 06:40:51 PM
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Fyi the latest car mag has a small erratum on the vx test they had done. See page 117.   they only mention the headlight.washers and the service plan, nothing else.


Yes, they are damned if they will admit to anything else.

Well they've lost my money - there is no way in hell, I will buy their bloody magazine again. :mad: